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today we have with us joshua p warren

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famed ghost hunter

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and expert on the brown mountain lights

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of north carolina

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and host of speaking of

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strange there you go broadcast every

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saturday night

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on the internet and on radio station

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news radio 570 wwnc the talk of the

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there you go i am a radio and josh and i

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actually met under

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somewhat very peculiar uh circumstances

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that had nothing to do with the

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the paranormal uh we both also make

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movies yes josh and i are b movie makers

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and joshua made a movie which is proud

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of called

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and we went we were both at a um

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a um horror conference what would you

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outside of syracuse so far outside of

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syracuse that we can't even tell you

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what the name of the town was

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although surprisingly enough i believe

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president clinton went to that same town

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about two weeks

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later so it must be a melting pot of the

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upstate new york area but anyway it was

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held in a little catering hall

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and few people attended and it was a

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sweltering day if i remember

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yeah and so josh and i met in the bar

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yes we did and we talked b movies not

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realizing that he was here

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with one of the greatest

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parapsychologists and ufo researchers

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and i certainly did not know that he was

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a ghost hunter until i found him many

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months later in a used bookstore

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yeah yeah isn't that weird that's

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strange yeah so we

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missed the opportunity to talk about all

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this stuff

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of course i've been a guest on the show

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forever on and off over the years

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and it's a wonderful program and we're

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going to interview

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josh for our continuing uh series of

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videos uh called our alien planet

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so josh how did you become a ghost

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hunter

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well i started by writing fictional

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ghost stories and other spooky tales

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when i was just a teenager about 14

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or 15 years old and because of that i

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got a job

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working for the local newspaper and my

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first article came out around halloween

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and so it seemed natural to

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write a story about places in the area

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that

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are supposedly haunted and oddly enough

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no one had ever written a book of

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asheville ghost stories and so when some

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of these articles came out

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there was a great response uh people

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really enjoyed them

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started calling me sending me letters

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telling me about other places i should

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go

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investigate and eventually little did

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they know

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that you were 15 oh yeah that at the

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time they had no idea no no

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because i started out too when i was 13.

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yeah so and here we are now at

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19 or 20. yeah yeah sure

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and so um you know it seemed natural to

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eventually compile them together into a

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and the more i interviewed people

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who had experienced the paranormal

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the more convinced i became that maybe

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there was something more

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to all of the stories rather than some

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just purely subjective

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experience like a hallucination or their

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i mean i interviewed a chief of police

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nothing to gain and if anything a lot to

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lose by admitting to these experiences

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uh when i started really taking it

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seriously is when i started my team

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which stands for the league of energy

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materialization and unexplained

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never knew what that was it's quite a

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and it's a team of people who have

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various backgrounds

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and we all go together to places where

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something strange has been reported and

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divide the task of gathering data

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and try to determine if indeed there is

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something that we can measure or

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document that is inexplicable now what

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um or the case uh would you say that was

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most convincing that proves to you that

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there was something

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paranormal going on well there are at

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least two or three that stand out in my

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uh well for example the first time i

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ever saw something that

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really struck me in an impressive way

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was objects flying off walls at a house

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fact i saw a little ceramic

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dove hanging on the wall more or less

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explode off of the wall

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right in front of me and all the pieces

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uh and i was so impressed by that that i

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want to come back to this house with as

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many cameras as i can

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find and not leave until i shoot some of

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this and we did

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the team went back and we ended up

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getting some footage which is actually

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freely available on our website of

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a uh a meter that weighs about a pound a

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tri-filled natural em meter sitting

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in the corner of the room and you hear

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the meter squeal as it picks up some

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and then the meter actually moves or

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was not forward and then up on its side

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to perpendicular lines of motion so that

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was impressive but i think the number

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the one and only time i have actually

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an apparitional form with my naked eyes

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and was even able to touch it

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yeah you touched yeah i touched a ghost

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um this was well i would i would say

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i've been to between 500 and 1000 places

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that are supposedly

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well let's not run away from this so

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quickly although maybe you did at the

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how did you touch the ghost or other

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what circumstances being that this is

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of a house

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and the young lady who lived there

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contacted me because she had been seeing

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this misty form floating around the

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distinctly like a human and she even

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frightened her and she wanted to move

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going back and forth debating whether or

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not something could be done to stop the

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activity and finally she woke up

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at 4 30 in the morning and this thing

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was in the bed with her

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and so she said screw this i'm getting

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she left and called me and that's when i

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and investigate her house now i am not a

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or an exorcist i mean i don't know that

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there is necessarily a way

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that you can get rid of a ghost i'm just

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there to try to understand as much

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as possible about the activity and so

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and i was actually about to leave we'd

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a little while and the other researchers

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said josh look

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and i turned around and he and i were

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about three feet away from each other

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and right there between us was this blue

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just floating in the air and it was a

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patch that was maybe two to three feet

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so strange about it

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was that unlike smoke that has some sort

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and curls and uh it had

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facets almost like a gem these flat

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a structure quite like it now that kind

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of sounds like the

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ufo that's supposedly landed in bent

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the case in england very famous case

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where the military surrounded this

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object and that

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that you mentioned that possible

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so uh i reached out to touch it because

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i was actually in retrospect wasting

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valuable time because i should have had

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all my meters up there take

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but no i was just face to face with this

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thing both of us were

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we were looking at this from two

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of this mist the facets kind of

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and it was very cold in the middle and

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it made the hair stand up on the back of

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my hand and then i

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when i withdrew my hand it sort of

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popped back into place

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and it was just it was amazing um so

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it started to dim after about 20 or 30

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and it wasn't until it began to dim that

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picture so i had my digital camera

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and i snapped a photograph of this form

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just before it disappeared so i don't

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have a photo that shows it as distinctly

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as it looked to us

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but still you can see it and it

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demonstrates this this is not

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but then we're we're talking more about

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something that looks like uh an object

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rather than a disembodied spirit

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disembodied spirit is a ghost a

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disembodied spirit

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ghosts of inanimate objects as well

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spirit of a dead person but my

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that appears

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to exist apart from the original

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physical form

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and that word appears is integral

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because it shows you that you might not

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be able to always differentiate

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seeing a ghost from a hallucination

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in other cases it could be something

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that uh is a remnant of the past an

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imprint uh or in some cases it could

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simply be an atmospheric

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phenomenon that isn't understood and so

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for the time being we think of it

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according to that

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definition so ufos

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could be ghosts in your definition

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absolutely yeah ufos could be considered

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ghosts

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certainly i would say ghostly um and

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and that there's an interesting

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connection there between ufos and ghosts

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because

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whatever these ufos are if they do

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indeed demonstrate some of the qualities

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that people talk about

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attaining huge or very high speeds or

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sort of

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materializing and vanishing

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whatever they are or or wherever they

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are from whether or not

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they themselves are conscious or being

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operated by conscious

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beings the the operators of the ufos

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understand how to manipulate matter and

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energy

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because at some level

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the physicality of the manifestation is

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irrelevant

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because if if you can master

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using matter and energy enough to

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utilize it for a vehicle whether they

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came from another dimension or another

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planet

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well then also uh that applies perhaps

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to understanding

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more about what a human is

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and whether or not there are aspects of

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ourselves that

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can still remain once this physical

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layer

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is shed and so you can you can sort of

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see a connection there between

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understanding more about ufos and

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understanding ghosts as well as

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considering that even with basic space

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travel if we send

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men to mars using linear propulsion

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and a linear path we have to understand

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what happens to the human body

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being subjected to those kinds of forces

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for that period of time

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and learning more about what a human is

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and how a human is composed in

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space-time

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and how that can be affected by

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traveling through space-time

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in extreme ways all relate to these

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questions of exactly what is reality and

354
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these phenomena seem to be good examples

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of rare glimpses of things that we might

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someday master

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technologically ourselves so it's

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time travel i think there's a great

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possibility that we're looking at some

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time travel

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here well for one thing we know that

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time travel is possible

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we know that time is a flexible thing

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and that a clock in your basement runs

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slower than a clock in your attic

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because the one in your basement is

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closer to the earth's gravitational

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field

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so knowing that that time travel is

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feasible the only other question is

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will it ever be possible for a human to

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actually time travel into the past

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and if not a human then something

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comparable to a human

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because if ever ever in the future

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the infinite future some intelligent

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being is going to figure out how to time

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travel back into the past

379
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well then it seems perfectly reasonable

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that they

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have done so and may even be

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controlling us to some extent to the

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benefit of

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actually i had that it happened in the

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middle of a movie one time oh okay

386
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and then i had to sit there and explain

387
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while everything was going on

388
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why i couldn't talk but go ahead all

389
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right yeah so if if indeed

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uh beings are ever going to learn how to

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travel into the past

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then we can safely presume they probably

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have done so

394
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they probably are here or at least they

395
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have been here and may even be

396
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manipulating events now to the benefit

397
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of their future world and so it's funny

398
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it's

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paranoid mindset you could even say

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but one might make the case that we are

401
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being

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controlled by people of the future and

403
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there's nothing we can ever do about it

404
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now there are there is a archaeological

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evidence that

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either some other race occupied the

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planet at

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the same time the disempass before they

409
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were supposed to be humans

410
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beings here or some people theorize that

411
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these may be

412
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proofs of time travelers going back into

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the ancient past

414
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have you seen evidence of that or i've

415
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seen it in books i know

416
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brad steiger has written a lot about

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some of the fossilized

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tennis shoe prints and or uh you know

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spark plugs that are found in layers of

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rock um and if indeed those are valid

421
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fossils then i think that that is a

422
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wonderful example of

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the fact that indeed um

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we may reach a point when people are

425
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frequently traveling back thousands of

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years ago

427
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for all we know the bible and all these

428
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other ancient texts may have actually

429
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been

430
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written by future time travelers who

431
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were trying to

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change our morals and ethics in some way

433
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beginning thousands of years ago because

434
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religion is the earliest form of

435
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government

436
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so um once you go down that road of

437
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course

438
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anything is possible and that's that's

439
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frustrating for a lot of people

440
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they don't want to talk about it because

441
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they say well uh what's the point

442
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if people from the future are coming

443
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back to the past then you can explain

444
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everything that way and it's just too

445
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convenient

446
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okay so be it but that still doesn't

447
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now outside of a ghostly phenomenon i

448
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guess this is also a ghostly phenomena

449
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you're probably the well you are the the

450
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world's leading authority on the brown

451
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mountain lights

452
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which is a phenomena that's been seen

453
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for

454
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hundreds of years were to take it in the

455
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blue ridge mountains yes of north

456
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carolina

457
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and i was down there myself many many

458
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years ago with

459
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jim mosley and alan green field and

460
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quite a few other uh

461
00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:12,240
individuals and we staked out the brown

462
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,120
mountain lights

463
00:17:16,789 --> 00:17:15,679
we didn't have didn't really see too

464
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,799
much strange

465
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maybe one flash of light off into the

466
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woods which may have or may not have

467
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been

468
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a brown mountain light but we did have

469
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the

470
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opportunity to meet with this uh

471
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gentleman who was the local contactee by

472
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the name of ralph lail

473
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who had little convenience store a

474
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little shack i guess you would call it

475
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and a little man under the under the

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counter

477
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which we don't know whether he was a

478
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pygmy or something from another planet

479
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but ralph claimed that he was

480
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uh in in contact on a regular basis with

481
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the beings who

482
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resided or had a base at least inside

483
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the mountain and to convince us of the

484
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truth of his stories

485
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he had boxes full of giant crystals

486
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which

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were used as some energizing device or

488
00:18:02,950 --> 00:18:00,080
something by the aliens

489
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or perhaps by himself to entice people

490
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to buy his little booklet for a buck and

491
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a quarter and a bottle of diet coke

492
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yeah so that was

493
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it seems like almost at every locale of

494
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this nature you always find one or two

495
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individuals who

496
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have some interesting story to tell but

497
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how did you first find out about the

498
00:18:21,909 --> 00:18:20,480
brown mountain lights or did you just

499
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walk upon one one night

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well uh having lived in western north

501
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carolina my whole life i'd always heard

502
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legends growing up regarding the brown

503
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mountain lights in fact there was a

504
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popular

505
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bluegrass song that was sung in the

506
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1950s

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sort of a hit in our region called the

508
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ballad of the brown mountain light

509
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and so uh in my father he used to talk

510
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about it quite a bit uh

511
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because he liked the song and so when i

512
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was uh

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probably i don't know maybe around 12 or

514
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13 my parents took me and my sister up

515
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to the overlook

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is that plaque still there no uh there

517
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is um

518
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supposedly there's a plaque somewhere on

519
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the parkway uh

520
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that has been recently put up but not at

521
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the overlook that i usually go to

522
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the 181 overlook in fact it's it's kind

523
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of odd because

524
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i have talked to some of the people in

525
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burke county before about putting

526
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more signs up but they don't want to

527
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they say that it inspires vandalism

528
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uh and even at wiseman's view there is

529
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a plaque that has all of the mountains

530
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there and points out the names of the

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mountains and there's nothing related to

532
00:19:29,510 --> 00:19:28,240
the brown mountain lights on this plaque

533
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even so it's almost like

534
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they in some cases intentionally do not

535
00:19:36,230 --> 00:19:33,840
talk about it

536
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and in fact i tried to get the tourism

537
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commission to work with me one time

538
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,640
about

539
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you know maybe a festival or something a

540
00:19:43,029 --> 00:19:41,919
brown mountain lights festival because i

541
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:43,039
heard that they were doing that in

542
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,240
martha texas

543
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with the marfa lights they were not

544
00:19:51,669 --> 00:19:49,039
interested in doing that and

545
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:51,679
so and recently there is a private group

546
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of people that have done a festival for

547
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,360
the past couple years

548
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,080
but uh the the world of official dom

549
00:20:02,630 --> 00:19:59,919
really doesn't want to acknowledge

550
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:02,640
much about the lights which is odd

551
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:04,320
especially when you consider that you

552
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:06,240
know i've talked to a lot of people

553
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:07,360
there

554
00:20:11,990 --> 00:20:10,080
locals who have told me about weird

555
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:12,000
military activity

556
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:14,080
that may or may not be related to the

557
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:15,840
light but if not it's certainly a bit

558
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:18,240
much for coincidence

559
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:21,760
i'll give you some examples of course

560
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let me start by saying that after about

561
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15

562
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years of camping up there and getting

563
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permits from the forest service and

564
00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,520
bringing all kinds of scientists up

565
00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:34,000
there my team and i concluded that the

566
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lights are

567
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:37,360
most likely in many well most of the

568
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:38,559
lights that are considered brown

569
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mountain lights

570
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:42,320
are likely plasmas which are being

571
00:20:46,390 --> 00:20:43,840
naturally produced

572
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:46,400
by the mountain because the mountain has

573
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:47,440
some special

574
00:20:52,549 --> 00:20:49,679
geologic and atmospheric conditions and

575
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:52,559
now i also know for a fact

576
00:20:56,870 --> 00:20:55,360
that the military has been working on

577
00:20:59,990 --> 00:20:56,880
using plasma

578
00:21:00,870 --> 00:21:00,000
for weapons for quite some time and so

579
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:00,880
it may be

580
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,320
the military learned a long time

581
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,240
ago that brown mountain was producing

582
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:08,159
plasmas and has been

583
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:10,960
studying them in nature in order to

584
00:21:15,990 --> 00:21:13,200
determine the best way to

585
00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,000
condense it into some sort of technology

586
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,840
so that might be some motivation for the

587
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,600
government but the types of stories i'm

588
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,520
talking about

589
00:21:25,669 --> 00:21:23,360
are stories from hunters for example i

590
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,679
talked to a hunter who told me that

591
00:21:28,710 --> 00:21:28,000
uh he was on way out in the middle of

592
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,720
the woods

593
00:21:31,830 --> 00:21:30,320
thought he was pretty much alone and all

594
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:31,840
of a sudden this

595
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:35,360
uh government vehicle sort of uh i don't

596
00:21:39,029 --> 00:21:37,039
forget what it was but some kind of

597
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:39,039
all-terrain vehicle just came blazing

598
00:21:41,590 --> 00:21:39,919
past him

599
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,600
almost ran over him he said where did

600
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:43,360
this thing come from and he walked a

601
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:45,120
little farther down the trail

602
00:21:50,070 --> 00:21:48,400
and the trail of the roadway ended and

603
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:50,080
he said

604
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:52,080
where did it go where did it come from

605
00:21:55,029 --> 00:21:53,919
and then when he finally worked his way

606
00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:55,039
back to the gate

607
00:21:58,950 --> 00:21:57,280
for the road he said the gate had

608
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:58,960
recently been painted

609
00:22:02,390 --> 00:22:01,120
and he noticed that it had been painted

610
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,400
shut

611
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:04,000
and he could tell that the gate had not

612
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,520
been opened so

613
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:08,240
this vehicle appeared out of nowhere and

614
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:09,840
then disappeared

615
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,960
he thought it must have gone inside

616
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,640
the mountain there must have been some

617
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,080
hole because he didn't get the

618
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:17,840
impression it was going to fly away or

619
00:22:22,070 --> 00:22:19,520
dematerialize it

620
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:22,080
and i've also talked to people for

621
00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:22,559
example

622
00:22:27,750 --> 00:22:26,400
there is a local cafeteria there that

623
00:22:28,630 --> 00:22:27,760
claims that once in a while they get

624
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:28,640
these big

625
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,799
contracts to feed hundreds of men

626
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:34,480
who are related to the military and all

627
00:22:37,990 --> 00:22:36,320
they do is show up with a couple of

628
00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:38,000
trucks with all this food

629
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,679
and they meet uh some mps at a gate

630
00:22:45,190 --> 00:22:43,600
and give them the food and they never

631
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,200
say what it's for

632
00:22:49,029 --> 00:22:47,919
and they never see where it goes uh and

633
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:49,039
then i've talked to

634
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,799
hikers who have seen um

635
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,480
okay well here's here's a good one i was

636
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:56,880
talking to a uh a hiker i think it might

637
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:58,320
have been 100 also i forget it was a

638
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:59,360
hike or 100

639
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:02,480
told me that one day he was out

640
00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:06,320
walking around and saw something shining

641
00:23:11,430 --> 00:23:09,679
in a nearby field something metallic

642
00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:11,440
and when he made his way over to the

643
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:13,120
spot he couldn't

644
00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:15,200
find out what was shining but he noticed

645
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:16,720
that at the spot where he thought

646
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,320
something was shining there was a little

647
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,320
hole in the ground

648
00:23:23,430 --> 00:23:21,840
and he couldn't tell how deep it went

649
00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:23,440
but he just thought that was odd

650
00:23:28,070 --> 00:23:26,960
so later that evening when he was about

651
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,080
to go back

652
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:31,120
home he realized that there was a lot of

653
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,600
light

654
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:33,760
in the area of the field where he had

655
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,039
earlier seen

656
00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:37,919
this strange shiny spot and so he went

657
00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,559
back over there and now

658
00:23:44,230 --> 00:23:43,039
all of these government vehicles were in

659
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:44,240
a big

660
00:23:47,510 --> 00:23:46,480
formation with their headlights turned

661
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,520
on

662
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,440
and they were examining something at

663
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:51,120
this particular spot

664
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,120
and he thought huh this is weird they

665
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:54,799
must be looking at what i was looking at

666
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,440
earlier

667
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,120
and he started to walk over and ask them

668
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,799
and he said all of a sudden

669
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,880
three or four people just let loose with

670
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:02,880
machine guns and started he said it was

671
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:03,760
the most

672
00:24:08,230 --> 00:24:06,799
terrifying racket he'd ever heard and he

673
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,240
turned and hauled ass and he said they

674
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,760
weren't shooting at him he didn't think

675
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:11,760
they even knew he was there

676
00:24:15,269 --> 00:24:14,559
they were shooting at something else at

677
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:15,279
that same

678
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,240
spot and he said well were they shooting

679
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:20,159
at plasma

680
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:21,520
i don't know why they would shoot a

681
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:23,279
plasma

682
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,880
well could you even see pla is this in

683
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:27,360
the daytime uh well the shooting was

684
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,400
happening at night

685
00:24:34,390 --> 00:24:31,440
but now a plasma that appears during

686
00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:34,400
daytime can reflect sunlight so if there

687
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:35,440
was a plasma

688
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:36,880
coming from the ground there if there

689
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,440
were one it might also look like a shiny

690
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:40,880
metallic object but

691
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:42,880
how that relates to all of these

692
00:24:47,510 --> 00:24:45,360
military people

693
00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:47,520
ape [\h__\h] and firing all their guns off

694
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,440
like that at something at that spot i

695
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:51,120
mean i don't know

696
00:24:55,269 --> 00:24:53,919
but let's just say no use our

697
00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,279
imagination

698
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,080
maybe there are ufos that are coming to

699
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,760
brown mountain

700
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,320
because they also are utilizing these

701
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:03,679
natural forces

702
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,000
maybe that plays into the dynamics of

703
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,080
their crap ralph leo was right

704
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,279
maybe and so there may be an alien

705
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,360
presence there as well

706
00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:15,600
and it's possible that the military sees

707
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:17,440
that as a conflict and for all i know

708
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:19,840
they were shooting at aliens

709
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,440
well now you know the only thing that

710
00:25:29,190 --> 00:25:26,640
takes me away from the plasma

711
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:29,200
theory that you speak of is uh i've

712
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:29,840
talked to

713
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,679
a number of people there back in my

714
00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:33,120
travels and on the telephone over the

715
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,080
years

716
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,640
and they describe what appears to be an

717
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,159
intelligence behind

718
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,679
these balls of light and one would

719
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:41,360
assume that plasma

720
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:44,000
is not intelligent no there it shouldn't

721
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,559
be

722
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:47,039
um well i have some thoughts on that as

723
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,000
well uh

724
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:50,799
first off i've seen the lights numerous

725
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:52,000
times and i've never

726
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:54,240
seen personally what i would consider an

727
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:56,799
intelligent interactive behavior

728
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,520
so i would need to see that to try to

729
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:01,279
see what patterns and correlations could

730
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,400
be gleaned from i've

731
00:26:06,549 --> 00:26:04,559
i've blinked lights at them and all that

732
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,559
and i've never gotten a response

733
00:26:10,149 --> 00:26:08,480
so i don't know if maybe someone is

734
00:26:13,590 --> 00:26:10,159
seeing the lights

735
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:13,600
and and reading something into that um

736
00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,840
that you know someone sees the lights

737
00:26:19,430 --> 00:26:17,360
maneuver in a certain way because the

738
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:19,440
lights do interact with each other

739
00:26:23,430 --> 00:26:21,520
which could be explained by plasmas

740
00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:23,440
having an electromagnetic field that

741
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,159
naturally

742
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:27,120
balances off of other fields on the

743
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:28,400
other hand

744
00:26:31,990 --> 00:26:30,559
just because that many of these lights

745
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,000
manifest in a form

746
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,640
that we call plasma that doesn't mean it

747
00:26:38,149 --> 00:26:36,480
accounts for all the activity it may be

748
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,159
that when you have a place

749
00:26:41,750 --> 00:26:40,400
that naturally produces so much energy

750
00:26:46,470 --> 00:26:41,760
it also triggers

751
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,830
you know just gonna make one more

752
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:49,840
comment about the lights having

753
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,880
intelligence um i have talked to people

754
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,120
who have sworn that they have seen a

755
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:58,720
light close up

756
00:27:04,310 --> 00:27:00,720
and there is a little person inside of

757
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:04,320
it like a fairy or a form of some sort

758
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:07,360
now i've never seen anything like that

759
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:10,559
and i've also talked to people who say

760
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,520
they've touched

761
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,360
uh well i talked to one guy who said he

762
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,039
touched delight

763
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:18,000
he said it was i think he said about the

764
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,080
size of a basketball or a little larger

765
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:21,760
and hovering about three feet over the

766
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:22,640
ground and

767
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,240
he walked up and touched it and it

768
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,960
shocked him it did not discharge it but

769
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,880
it definitely also contributes to the

770
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,960
electrical part if that's indeed true

771
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,640
now i i know people who have claimed

772
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:34,399
that they have

773
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:36,399
followed the lights and of course

774
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,840
whenever they get

775
00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:38,960
to where they think they're going to be

776
00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:40,480
close to the lights they're not close to

777
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:41,440
the lights at all

778
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,440
the light will suddenly appear behind

779
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:44,559
them

780
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:46,960
or have moved without seemingly have

781
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:48,080
moved

782
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,600
that would appear to be some

783
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:51,600
intelligence beyond

784
00:27:56,710 --> 00:27:54,960
well it depends because if you are

785
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,720
walking in an area where you have these

786
00:28:01,750 --> 00:27:58,640
layers that are discharging

787
00:28:04,389 --> 00:28:01,760
the energy creating the plasmas

788
00:28:05,590 --> 00:28:04,399
it seems like that it can actually

789
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:05,600
transfer

790
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:08,559
through the layer and so for example you

791
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,520
might have

792
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,760
two lights and one of them will dim

793
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:13,520
while the other one brightens

794
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,039
and then vice versa we have video

795
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,720
footage of this happening if you're

796
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,559
standing between each of them

797
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:21,200
you might think that one single light is

798
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,240
actually

799
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:24,240
re-materializing a different position or

800
00:28:27,430 --> 00:28:25,279
something like that

801
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:27,440
but we can't be sure that they don't

802
00:28:30,549 --> 00:28:29,200
have intelligence because if they have

803
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:30,559
intelligence

804
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:32,960
then it would certainly be more complex

805
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:35,279
than anything we know how to understand

806
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,880
and to say that they are a plasma

807
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:39,279
doesn't necessarily imply that they have

808
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:41,200
no intelligence any more than saying a

809
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,080
human

810
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,480
is a solid means that we have no

811
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:46,880
intelligence that's just a description

812
00:28:53,350 --> 00:28:50,159
of our physical composition um

813
00:28:55,590 --> 00:28:53,360
it may be that uh

814
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:55,600
well if you believe that the earth is

815
00:28:59,350 --> 00:28:56,720
itself is

816
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,360
isn't an intelligent living thing and i

817
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,960
sort of do actually well that's

818
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:03,360
the concept this book uh that we did our

819
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:04,559
alien planet this year

820
00:29:09,510 --> 00:29:07,120
earth's right yes yeah and i tend to

821
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:09,520
think that the earth is a living thing

822
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:12,880
and so um it may very well be

823
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,520
some aspect of the earth trying to

824
00:29:19,990 --> 00:29:16,799
communicate

825
00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:20,000
or if not communicating

826
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:22,480
at least some aspect that does bear

827
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:24,159
consciousness

828
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:26,640
now why why do you think that there

829
00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:27,679
seems to be such

830
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:31,039
a negative attitude among the

831
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:33,520
like scientific community or an attempt

832
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,640
to

833
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:36,559
sweep this all under the uh the carpet

834
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,559
because if it were true

835
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:41,520
would this not tell us a little bit more

836
00:29:46,789 --> 00:29:43,520
about our planet our environment

837
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,799
and intelligence and matter and physics

838
00:29:49,510 --> 00:29:48,240
and so forth and so on

839
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,520
well there actually are a lot of

840
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:51,679
scientists who are interested i mean

841
00:29:55,269 --> 00:29:53,600
i've gone up there with uh

842
00:29:57,269 --> 00:29:55,279
for example a physicist from the oak

843
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,279
ridge national laboratory

844
00:30:00,310 --> 00:29:59,919
and he agrees that they're also plasmas

845
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,320
and

846
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,720
i've our work has been applauded by the

847
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:04,799
navy physics laboratory

848
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:07,760
we made the cover of a science journal

849
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:08,320
however

850
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,080
you know you you have a handful of

851
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:12,240
people out there usually who know very

852
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:12,640
little

853
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:15,919
about the phenomena that say they don't

854
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:18,960
want to take it seriously just because

855
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,320
that for so many years it was called uh

856
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,159
ghosts you know these are these it's an

857
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:26,000
old ghost story these were spirits of

858
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,679
native americans

859
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:29,919
who are battling or there's a story

860
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,000
about being a slave

861
00:30:35,830 --> 00:30:34,399
searching for his master because the

862
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,840
master never came back good thing

863
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:37,440
there's not a train track there because

864
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,240
it's always yeah

865
00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,880
this conductor yeah that's right uh

866
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:42,080
although there is a place

867
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,600
like that in north carolina i've been

868
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,600
there for mako the track they they tour

869
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:46,720
the train track

870
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:49,679
yeah it's not there anymore um so you

871
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,159
know i

872
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,440
think that uh it's just the people who

873
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,919
who don't want to go out and do what we

874
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:57,919
have done for themselves to see it

875
00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:59,840
find that it's easier to simply say well

876
00:31:04,630 --> 00:31:01,760
these guys are just ghost hunters

877
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:04,640
so why should i trust them and you know

878
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:05,840
it's it's a matter of putting the

879
00:31:09,669 --> 00:31:07,279
blinders on

880
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,679
in fact at this point in time i don't

881
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:11,120
know if anybody

882
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,240
who can really intelligently debate

883
00:31:18,230 --> 00:31:16,880
the fact that these are are not possibly

884
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:18,240
plasmas i mean

885
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:21,039
in fact one guy who was a critic of ours

886
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:22,880
for a long time

887
00:31:27,430 --> 00:31:26,080
named dr dan kayton from appalachian

888
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:27,440
state university

889
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,320
was always the guy that the newspapers

890
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,600
would go to

891
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:34,159
to to have like you know that one fella

892
00:31:37,190 --> 00:31:35,840
who's gonna say everything that we say

893
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:37,200
is [\h__\h] you know you

894
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:39,279
they they call that balance supposedly

895
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:40,240
that's

896
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,120
and so um for the longest time he said

897
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:44,960
ah there are no brown mountain lights

898
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:45,519
and

899
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:46,960
there are all these condescending

900
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:48,880
remarks made about

901
00:31:55,669 --> 00:31:52,960
me and about our organization and

902
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,679
in fact when i i met him in person one

903
00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:56,640
time

904
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:59,679
and asked him to you know debate this

905
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,440
you know in a gentlemanly way you know

906
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,720
and he wouldn't do it he would

907
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,880
he won't debate it he won't ask me any

908
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,240
questions when i give him the

909
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:07,760
opportunity but then he'll go around

910
00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:08,880
otherwise and say

911
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,880
or he used to say to people you know

912
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:12,159
that we didn't know what we were talking

913
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:12,880
about well now

914
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:15,760
even he has begun telling people that he

915
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,279
thinks there's a good chance these are

916
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:19,440
plasmas like ball lightning as well

917
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:22,240
and almost like he has discovered this

918
00:32:25,110 --> 00:32:22,799
though

919
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:25,120
so you know it's a little bit

920
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:26,880
frustrating that there are people

921
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:30,000
who will simply see i don't ask anybody

922
00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:30,799
to believe

923
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,159
me i say here is this report

924
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,559
of exactly what we did because for 15

925
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:38,880
years we took meticulous notes

926
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:41,440
every piece of equipment every day we

927
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,720
went up there

928
00:32:49,710 --> 00:32:45,840
what the conditions were what we found

929
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,720
all of this is free on our website

930
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:52,000
brownmountainlights.com it's in the

931
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:53,039
public domain

932
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:57,279
we have given it to the world and

933
00:33:00,870 --> 00:33:00,000
i i want people to go take the same

934
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:00,880
equipment that we

935
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:04,000
use and go there and see for themselves

936
00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:05,679
and document it for themselves you don't

937
00:33:09,750 --> 00:33:07,039
have to take my word for it in fact

938
00:33:11,509 --> 00:33:09,760
we've come up with four different

939
00:33:13,669 --> 00:33:11,519
factors that will help you predict when

940
00:33:15,509 --> 00:33:13,679
the lights can be seen

941
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,519
and once you get to the point where you

942
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,519
can kind of predict

943
00:33:20,710 --> 00:33:19,200
when something's going to happen well

944
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:20,720
that's when you're getting close to

945
00:33:24,630 --> 00:33:21,600
really

946
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,640
solving the mystery fact that's you know

947
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:26,000
when it comes to ghosts

948
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:27,519
if we ever get to the point where i can

949
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:30,640
tell you uh all right tim

950
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:33,840
go to this house on this street at this

951
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,600
time on this date and old man withers

952
00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:40,720
will come from the claws then that's

953
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:42,320
when you'll know that ghosts

954
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:45,600
are truly real so to speak and uh it's

955
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,960
all about being able to

956
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,960
to predict when these things are going

957
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:50,480
to appear

958
00:33:54,389 --> 00:33:53,519
now are you able to predict when a ghost

959
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,399
will appear uh

960
00:33:58,630 --> 00:33:56,399
or any other manifestation oh yeah the

961
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:58,640
brown mountain lights uh we're

962
00:34:02,710 --> 00:34:00,640
quite quite good i mean it's still a

963
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:02,720
very complicated system you know because

964
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,120
it's

965
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,039
mother nature and you know science is

966
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:07,679
designed to help us solve the simplest

967
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:10,960
problems first and all of the variables

968
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:11,760
involved

969
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:14,399
in something like this what we think is

970
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,399
a natural phenomenon on brown mountain

971
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:18,000
makes it difficult to tell with

972
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:19,919
100 degree certainty but i think it

973
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,280
certainly is possible

974
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:23,520
that we'll reach that point uh the four

975
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:24,960
factors right now

976
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,520
are number one uh time of year you're

977
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,760
better off if you go looking for them in

978
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:32,000
late october or early november

979
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:36,000
let's go tonight yeah and uh in fact

980
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:38,960
the one reason for that might be because

981
00:34:41,270 --> 00:34:39,599
uh and

982
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,280
i haven't really explained how i think

983
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,440
the lights are created i don't know if

984
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:45,679
we want to get into that it's up to you

985
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:49,760
but um but probably [\h__\h] my position

986
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,280
um but one is

987
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:55,760
the time of year because it seems like

988
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,760
at night when the mountain cools and

989
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:59,520
contracts it produces

990
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:01,599
the activity and there is a greater

991
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,640
temperature

992
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,400
difference between night and day in the

993
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,240
fall than other times of year

994
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,240
and also the leaves are off the trees in

995
00:35:14,829 --> 00:35:10,640
the fall and you have better visibility

996
00:35:17,990 --> 00:35:14,839
number two is if the kp

997
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:18,000
index is a five or above

998
00:35:21,630 --> 00:35:19,599
now this is a measurement of how

999
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:21,640
disturbed the earth's

1000
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:24,480
magnetosphere is and also if you go to

1001
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,400
the website brownmountainlights.com

1002
00:35:30,870 --> 00:35:28,240
you'll see a little

1003
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,880
indicator there with that information

1004
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:31,920
third is if it's

1005
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:34,880
during or just after a rainy period

1006
00:35:38,230 --> 00:35:36,560
because the rain water that goes through

1007
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:38,240
the mountains seems to build up some of

1008
00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:38,640
these

1009
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:41,839
charges and then lastly is

1010
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,560
if there happens to be an excessive

1011
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,480
amount of carbon in the air

1012
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:49,200
from campfires or even a forest fire the

1013
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,960
time that i saw them most prominently

1014
00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,400
was when there was a big forest fire

1015
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,640
that was a few miles down the road

1016
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,640
and the extra carbon in the air seems to

1017
00:36:01,990 --> 00:35:58,079
act as a fuel

1018
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:02,000
to help create the lights and so um

1019
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:03,760
yeah those are the four best things for

1020
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,200
the time being but

1021
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:07,520
you know i think that our work again

1022
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,520
it's out there it's available and now i

1023
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:12,079
want other people to reproduce it so

1024
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:13,760
they can verify it themselves and

1025
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:14,720
hopefully

1026
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:21,670
i i guess uh let's end this by just

1027
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,560
talking about your

1028
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:24,160
current projects what are you working on

1029
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:25,760
next what's what are we gonna

1030
00:36:32,150 --> 00:36:29,839
expect from joshua well um

1031
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:32,160
i probably i'm not ready to talk about

1032
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:33,760
this new movie that i'm shooting right

1033
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:35,200
now but i am working on an independent

1034
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:36,079
production

1035
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:39,440
a documentary and uh i will say that it

1036
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,079
has

1037
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,359
to do with religion and

1038
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,040
some of the strange things associated

1039
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:48,000
with religion now aside from that

1040
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,440
um well let's see in the coming year

1041
00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,599
i'm going to be taking more trips i'm

1042
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:55,520
going to go to some islands i've never

1043
00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:56,560
been to

1044
00:37:00,069 --> 00:36:58,720
in the caribbean investigating pirate

1045
00:37:02,069 --> 00:37:00,079
ghosts

1046
00:37:03,270 --> 00:37:02,079
i keep finding i got an old i got an old

1047
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,280
book here by uh

1048
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,240
harold t wilkins on captain kidd that

1049
00:37:09,109 --> 00:37:08,320
was done in 1937 that i'm going to

1050
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,119
reprint

1051
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:11,200
oh i've i've got to have a copy of that

1052
00:37:14,790 --> 00:37:12,640
well there you go

1053
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,800
it could be the basis of a tour oh it's

1054
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:15,920
certainly good yeah

1055
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,109
i guess just in summary one thing that i

1056
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:25,520
i think is really important is to take

1057
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,680
more of the stuff that we have learned

1058
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,640
in the field for for so many years and

1059
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:31,760
apply it to

1060
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,880
laboratory experiments that's something

1061
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:36,400
that has not been done much in this

1062
00:37:40,069 --> 00:37:37,359
field

1063
00:37:42,150 --> 00:37:40,079
and i've spent you know 15 years out

1064
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:42,160
there collecting a lot of field data and

1065
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:42,640
i re

1066
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:46,000
i now i'm ready to sit down and

1067
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:50,560
adapt those or adapt that information to

1068
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:52,160
experiments i mean that's what we did

1069
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:54,079
with brown mountain we eventually

1070
00:37:58,550 --> 00:37:56,480
created a plasma chamber

1071
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:58,560
and reproduced a phenomenon like the

1072
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:00,240
brown mountain lights on a miniature

1073
00:38:03,510 --> 00:38:01,440
scale

1074
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:03,520
and that's why we earned the cover of

1075
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,280
the science journal because we

1076
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:07,440
demonstrated something in a laboratory

1077
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:09,920
when we knew what all the variables were

1078
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,240
and so i have a whole list of

1079
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:14,480
experiments that i want to do and

1080
00:38:17,829 --> 00:38:16,000
because i see all the data the field

1081
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:17,839
data just keep piling up and piling up

1082
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:19,520
and finally i'm ready to start doing

1083
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,760
more with it and we have some

1084
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:24,000
experiments that are very simple

1085
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:26,000
that have just never been done if if

1086
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:27,760
they've been done you i think i would

1087
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,000
have heard about it by now for example

1088
00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:33,520
we have a guy who is creating a box for

1089
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:34,400
us

1090
00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:37,760
that has 100 leds or thereabouts that's

1091
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,680
the idea of 100

1092
00:38:43,270 --> 00:38:42,480
and the leds range from infrared through

1093
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:43,280
the visible

1094
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,839
spectrum into ultraviolet so you

1095
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:47,839
shouldn't be able to see the leds on

1096
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,560
either end

1097
00:38:52,790 --> 00:38:50,320
just the section in the middle then

1098
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,800
we're going to take 100 people

1099
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,640
50 who say they've seen something

1100
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:56,880
ghostly 50 who say they have not

1101
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,599
and test their eyes and see specifically

1102
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,920
what frequency ranges they're seeing

1103
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:04,000
and to try to determine if there is some

1104
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:05,760
consistency there

1105
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:08,160
and those who have or have not seen a

1106
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,839
ghost you could throw in a few ufo

1107
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,760
observers too yeah that's right

1108
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,200
you could expand it to any of these

1109
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,200
strange things that people observe

1110
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:17,920
so there are many experiments like that

1111
00:39:21,589 --> 00:39:18,320
that

1112
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:21,599
are simple are relatively inexpensive

1113
00:39:25,510 --> 00:39:23,680
to produce but just take some time and

1114
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:25,520
effort and access to

1115
00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:27,599
those the right people trustworthy

1116
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:29,119
people you know you get them to fill out

1117
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,000
a survey

1118
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:33,040
and then you learn more about how we

1119
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,200
perceive these things

1120
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,839
because it may be that we never are

1121
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:39,760
going to be satisfied

1122
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,960
by just getting some random field that

1123
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:43,760
moves through

1124
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:45,599
at the same time someone reports

1125
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:46,960
something weird because

1126
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:49,680
at most you can say well that was really

1127
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:51,280
interesting we can't explain it but

1128
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:53,040
nobody knows exactly what to do from

1129
00:39:56,790 --> 00:39:54,400
that point on

1130
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:56,800
so uh we have to also know more about

1131
00:40:01,150 --> 00:39:59,359
how these fields are affecting

1132
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:01,160
people not just by triggering

1133
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,200
hallucinations

1134
00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:05,760
but also trying to determine if the

1135
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,319
human

1136
00:40:11,829 --> 00:40:09,599
is capable of documenting these things

1137
00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:11,839
that cannot otherwise be measured

1138
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:14,079
with a little box that beeps and has

1139
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:15,280
lights on it

1140
00:40:19,270 --> 00:40:16,720
and i'd like to take some of these

1141
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:19,280
people who call themselves ghost hunters

1142
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,440
regardless of whether you see them on tv

1143
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:23,520
or if it's the guy down the street

1144
00:40:28,950 --> 00:40:26,560
and ask him what is an electromagnetic

1145
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:30,870
how does that little box that you have

1146
00:40:35,829 --> 00:40:33,280
in your hand actually work

1147
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,839
and i think you would be surprised by

1148
00:40:38,790 --> 00:40:37,119
how few people

1149
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,800
can tell you what an electromagnetic

1150
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:40,160
field is after they've been sitting

1151
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,599
there talking about getting

1152
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,440
strange electromagnetic field readings

1153
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,680
all night so we need to do some more

1154
00:40:50,470 --> 00:40:47,920
basic you know elementary stuff in terms

1155
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,480
of educating people about how to use the

1156
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:51,599
equipment

1157
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,480
as well as exploring how that these

1158
00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:55,680
things can be

1159
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,640
sensed by humans in addition to the

1160
00:41:02,150 --> 00:41:00,480
equipment

1161
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,160
all right well i think that will give us

1162
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,079
a very nice interview here

1163
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:07,760
and utilizing it to our fullest

1164
00:41:10,790 --> 00:41:08,720
advantage